Thursday, May 09, 2013

Demonizations By Knox: She Invents An Illegal Interrogation By Mignini That Never Took Place

Posted by The TJMK Main Posters



[The Perugia Central Police Station where Knox’s imaginary interrogation “took place”]


It is hard to imagine a more extreme form of contempt of court than Knox falsely accusing a respected prosecutor of interrogating her without her lawyer being present, and pressing her to incriminate others. 

For this alone, Knox will certainly be investigated and charged. No wonder she is “scared” of returning to Italy. Apart from fears of getting up on the stand, she has lied about and falsely accused way too many people there. 

1. What actually happened at Knox’s witness and suspect interviews:

Here is the true account, which has many witnesses, and then her account in the book, which has none.

Before 3:00 AM on 6 November 2007 the respected senior prosecutor Giuliano Mignini had barely set eyes on Amanda Knox.

At that point in time, she had just passed through a purely voluntary witness questioning with the police, who were actually much further ahead in questioning Sollecito and Knox’s flatmates and Meredith’s English friends.

Dr Mignini was at home asleep, but on call if the central police station needed him that night, which is how quite by chance he came face to face with Knox not long before dawn.

Knox’s latest alibi had just been collapsed in another witness interview room. Sollecito had collapsed their joint alibi almost instantly when shown phone records that proved he had just lied. He then declared their current alibi to be a pack of lies.

Told of this, Knox then floundered for a new explanation, turning finally to fingering her employer Patrick Lumumba who the police did not even know to exist until her phone record showed he did.

Police took down that statement, Knox signed it, and this at 3:00 am was the state of play.

Knox was in a waiting room and not under arrest. Mignini was required to warn Knox of her rights as a new suspect, and to warn her to do no further talking to him or anyone else around without a lawyer present.

This was especially so as Knox was inclining to babble on and on and officers were trying to calm her down. As the police had just found (and as her own lawyers later found) she can prove very difficult to stop.

This relatively brief meeting (in which Mignini made quite clear who he was, witnesses confirm) was extended to allow Knox to fine-tune her accusation of Patrick.

She shrugged off the right to have her lawyer there. Prior to this, Knox to Mignini was simply one of a whole lot of people who might be of interest, nothing more.


2. Knox’s invented version of the witness interview which never happened

This interrogation quoted from Knox’s book below is already attracting serious attention in Italy. Why? Because its just not her babbley tone, and because it never even took place.

Amanda Knox, Waiting To Be Heard, HarperCollins, Pages 90-92

[Description is of the end of Knox’s voluntary witness interview with police which Mignini did not attend; the most damaging claims are in bold]


Eventually they told me the pubblico ministero would be coming in.

I didn’t know this translated as prosecutor, or that this was the magistrate that Rita Ficarra had been referring to a few days earlier when she said they’d have to wait to see what he said, to see if I could go to Germany.

I thought the “public minister” was the mayor or someone in a similarly high “public” position in the town and that somehow he would help me.

They said, “You need to talk to the pubblico ministero about what you remember.”

I told them, “I don’t feel like this is remembering. I’m really confused right now.” I even told them, “I don’t remember this. I can imagine this happening, and I’m not sure if it’s a memory or if I’m making this up, but this is what’s coming to mind and I don’t know. I just don’t know.”

They said, “Your memories will come back. It’s the truth. Just wait and your memories will come back.”

The pubblico ministero came in.

Before he started questioning me, I said, “Look, I’m really confused, and I don’t know what I’m remembering, and it doesn’t seem right.”

One of the other police officers said, “We’ll work through it.”

Despite the emotional sieve I’d just been squeezed through, it occurred to me that I was a witness and this was official testimony, that maybe I should have a lawyer. “Do I need a lawyer?” I asked.

He said, “No, no, that will only make it worse. It will make it seem like you don’t want to help us.”

It was a much more solemn, official affair than my earlier questioning had been, though the pubblico ministero was asking me the same questions as before: “What happened? What did you see?”

    I said, “I didn’t see anything.”

    “What do you mean you didn’t see anything? When did you meet him?”

    “I don’t know,” I said.

    “Where did you meet him?”

    “I think by the basketball court.” I had imagined the basketball court in Piazza Grimana, just across the street from the University for Foreigners.

    “I have an image of the basketball court in Piazza Grimana near my house.”

    “What was he wearing?”

    “I don’t know.”

    “Was he wearing a jacket?”

    “I think so.”

    “What color was it?”

    “I think it was brown.”

    “What did he do?”

    “I don’t know.”

    “What do you mean you don’t know?”

    “I’m confused!”

    “Are you scared of him?”

    “I guess.”

I felt as if I were almost in a trance. The pubblico ministero led me through the scenario, and I meekly agreed to his suggestions.

    “This is what happened, right? You met him?”

    “I guess so.”

    “Where did you meet?”

    “I don’t know. I guess at the basketball court.”

    “You went to the house?”

    “I guess so.”

    “Was Meredith in the house?”

    “I don’t remember.”

    “Did Patrick go in there?”

    “I don’t know, I guess so.”

    “Where were you?”

    “I don’t know. I guess in the kitchen.”

    “Did you hear Meredith screaming?”

    “I don’t know.”

    “How could you not hear Meredith screaming?”

    “I don’t know. Maybe I covered my ears. I don’t know, I don’t know if I’m just imagining this. I’m trying to remember, and you’re telling me I need to remember, but I don’t know. This doesn’t feel right.”

    He said, “No, remember. Remember what happened.”

    “I don’t know.”

At that moment, with the pubblico ministero raining questions down on me, I covered my ears so I could drown him out.

    He said, “Did you hear her scream?”

    I said, “I think so.”

My account was written up in Italian and he said, “This is what we wrote down. Sign it.”

To repeat, Mignini was not even present at the midnight interrogation of Knox by the police, and he certainly never edged her into fingering Lumumba as is being claimed here. Knox herself did that all by herself in the presence of the police.

And she did it again and again. Emphatically.


[Dalla Vedova and Ghirga: did they illegally allow Knox to commit serious felonies in the book?]




Comments

Ah Yes the Arias defense….  “I can’t remember. I’m in a fog.”  Which is the last hope of the guilty.

Once more with feeling   ‘Post Traumatic Stress’

Now that the Arias trial is more or less over I am sure the media will start to concentrate on Knox.

Trouble for Knox is the public has seen this show before and as time has gone forward the general public is becoming better educated in such matters as lying guilty murderers such as Amanda Knox who will say just about anything to get off while twisting in the wind.

Sollicito will probably go first because of the geographic circumstances, but the extradition treaty between the US and Italy is very concise.

Knox and her handlers have painted themselves into a corner because if she refuses to go back to Italy she will be looked upon as being guilty anyway and therefore she will always wear “The mask of the assassin.” and therefore the rest of her life the best she can hope for is a job at Wallmart.

Innocent people are not afraid to face the music, and slamming the Italian Justice system is a sure fire way to double the Italian efforts for extradition, particularly after Sollicito throws her under the bus.  That’s Sollicito’s only line of defense after all.

And then there’s Rudy Guede waiting in the wings. Knox must be terrified even if she’s living in a dream world thought up by Curt Knox and his evil plan to cash in.

It was said of Arias that underneath she has this anger which makes her lash out uncontrollably without any warning.

This M,O fits Curt Knox like a glove and therefore his daughter. Perhaps it’s inferior genetic inbreeding. Someone should do a study so that people such as Knox and Arias can be identified before they murder anyone else..

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 05/09/13 at 11:29 AM | #

Hi Grahame

Knox Version #2 surfaced for the Hellmann appeal and WAS weepy, self-absorbed, blaming of others and whiny in the way she was throughout the book.

Knox Version #1 was the only Knox that Italy observed for a full three years from 2008m to 2010 after an initial period of generally making nice to prosecutors and everyone else (you can see that in her prison diary).

She became hard, brash, jeering, contemptuous, disrespectful of the court (she and her family turned up in tee-shirt) and also blaming of others - she was always that.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/this_testimony_does_not_seem_to_have_gained_much_traction_here_in_ital/
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/italy_shrugs_why_the_defendants_testimony_seems_to_have_been_a_real_fl/

I’d say Italy’s attitude toward the two is generally one of dislike and mistrust rather than deep fascination with “Foxy Knoxy” and RS as is so often claimed.

Knox is way behind the curve as far as Italian girls are concerned. She babbles on in the book about not knowing that there was a huge university a few yards away.

Yeah, right. Actually the School for Foreigners is a non-degree-issuing junior FACULTY of that university and has been for a very long time.

She wasnt enrolled at the university because she never wanted to go that route. She knew.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/cutting_through_the_confusion_over_knoxs_status_in_perugia/

She almost certainly came to Perugia because (then) of its reputation in the US for easy drugs. She was already a pothead and man-eater back in Seattle, did she mention that in the book?!


Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/09/13 at 11:47 AM | #

@Peter Quennell

Thankyou for these two links - both excellent and relevant posts.

Yes, it’s faintly ridiculous when ‘fascination’ is suggested. I’m sure the Italians are far more sophisticated and subtle !

Europeans know how old their culture and intellectual traditions are - and they value them as such. And they don’t take kindly to condescension of the type that has happened.

Though Italians may be tolerant and forbearing on the surface…nobody likes to be treated in a demeaning way, still less spoken of as primitive, inefficient or corrupt when it is demonstrably not so.

If one’s honour is attacked, of course it will be defended.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 05/09/13 at 12:19 PM | #

Interesting. Mignini, in his lengthy interview with CNN, confirmed that he did not ask Knox any questions because Knox was then a suspect and that would have been in breach of the Italian Criminal Procedure Code in the absence of a lawyer present for her.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/dear_ken_jautz_of_cnn_Full_CNN_Interview_With_Mignini_that_cnn_should_1/

So either Knox is lying or Mignini is lying. Which one is the convicted liar? I wonder.

Also the interpreter, Anna Donnino, present when Knox was being interviewed by the police as a witness, was present again when Knox met Mignini.

This “further interrogation” as described above is the worst of Knox’s creative dialogue writing: that is, it isn’t even very interesting. Rather banal and somehow I can’t imagine Knox saying “I guess so” all the time.

And how come she even remembers any of it now? It’s just another fictitious scene but Knox is perfectly aware of the damage this does to Mignini. What a little shit she is.

Posted by James Raper on 05/09/13 at 12:23 PM | #

Grahame, enjoy and agree with all your sentiments.

However………….:
“………she will be looked upon as being guilty anyway and therefore she will always wear “The mask of the assassin.” and therefore the rest of her life the best she can hope for is a job at Wallmart………”

[assassin from “hashishan?”]

If only reason and logic prevailed…and politics did not.

Remember Angela Davis? She was hired, and well-paid by the U. of Cal.

Remember Bill Ayers? “Guilty as hell, free as a bird— is America a great country, or what?” He was hired, and well-paid by the U. of Illinois.

Posted by Cardiol MD on 05/09/13 at 12:29 PM | #

Hi there Cardiol

Yes I agree. The major difference between Knox and Angela Davis/Bill Ayers etc; is one of intelligence. Something that Knox does not have.

The common denominator as I see it between Arias, Knox and Eileen Wuornos for example, is one of denying any guilt whatsoever. Wuornos accused prison officials of trying to rape her or of poisoning her food. This is the same modus operandi as Knox of course. Arias will try this one on later I have no doubt. She has already claimed that the court prosecutor Juan Martinez withheld evidence which of course is laughable. Is it just me or do I see a physical commonality between Knox, Arias and Wuornos. Their background seems very similar particularly Knox and Wuornos since both their parents seem to be dysfunctional. (My attempt at politeness here)
Anyway thank you for your kind words

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 05/09/13 at 03:34 PM | #

Hi, I’m a long-time reader of this site, and just got registered to leave comments a moment ago.  The New York Times is running a “by the book” feature this Sunday featuring a short interview with Ms. Knox.  I just sent a letter to the Times protesting, and would encourage everyone here to do the same.  The interview does not mention Meredith Kercher or Patrick Lumumba at all.

Posted by Ceylon on 05/09/13 at 04:33 PM | #

Her account of the meeting leading up to the second voluntary declaration is different in her book than it was related, by Knox, in the courtroom.  She also includes this in her book:

“I didn’t lie when I said I thought the killer was Patrick.”

That is only a few pages after the imaginary conversation with Mignini.  It’s from another of the steady stream of evasive notes she made while in custody before her lawyers advised her to stop writing.

Posted by Stilicho on 05/09/13 at 04:36 PM | #

@Ceylon:  I think the By The Book segment was already published on May 7.  It was clearly not written by Knox, either, since it contains complete sentences and coherent thoughts.

Posted by Stilicho on 05/09/13 at 04:52 PM | #

@James re:  “It’s just another fictitious scene…”

No kidding.  Keep in mind that Knox claims—four times—in her book that she thought she was speaking with the mayor of Perugia.  Riiiight.  The mayor always intervenes in murder cases.

It never seems to occur to her, as questions are ‘raining down’, to ask why ‘the mayor’ is being such a dick to her.

Posted by Stilicho on 05/09/13 at 05:07 PM | #

@ Grahame…
Yeah , I suppose you are right .Inferior genetics , an interesting scientific concept. Throughout the 1920s and 30s there even was a scientifically supported movement throughout the US and Europe which forbade criminals to propagate offspring so their evil would not be passed on and future generations could live in peace.Great idea, I like it !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjwPJje3PCg
Down with social deviants ! lol

Posted by aethelred23 on 05/09/13 at 05:09 PM | #

Hi Stilicho, I saw that too, but at the bottom it says that it “was” published May 12th (this coming Sunday).  I already threw away last Sunday’s book review, but I don’t remember seeing it, so I think it might be appearing this coming Sunday.  Anyone else out there know for sure?  If anyone wants to write to protest, send emails to:

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Posted by Ceylon on 05/09/13 at 05:11 PM | #

You can also send a letter by email to:letters[at]nytimes.com

Posted by Skeptical Bystander on 05/09/13 at 05:13 PM | #

We are seeing the unraveling of a dirty PR campaign, thanks to the never ending efforts of sites like TJMK.
I have a hard time thinking Amandas lawyers are that stupid. I will be generous and suggest they were uninformed.

Posted by Bettina on 05/09/13 at 05:51 PM | #

Regarding the Times please write to the person mentioned in the box on our front page now.

She is proving highly effective - she took over from the ombudsmen - and has the power to stop the spread.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/09/13 at 06:07 PM | #

@ Stilicho

Yep, hard to think that Knox thought Mignini was the Mayor. In fact it was Mignini who opened the drawer of knives for Knox and that wasn’t the only time their paths had crossed at the cottage. If he was the mayor then what was he doing at the crimescene? Sightseeing?

However to be fair she says that she thought that pubblico ministero meant mayor, not that Mignini was the Mayor. Just another insignificant mistake on her part one might think but in fact it is insidious in that she doesn’t address or correct the false impression she’s laying of her being hoodwinked by the authorities.

A lot of this sort of thing in the book.

Posted by James Raper on 05/09/13 at 07:11 PM | #

I really hope Knox and Sollicito get all kind of air time. Point being the more public exposure the more people will see just how stupid the entire P/R scam and Knox herself really is. This is in part what I meant when I said before that Curt Knox and the other purveyors of filth have painted them selves into a corner.

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 05/09/13 at 07:26 PM | #

Astounding how Knox slimes Mignini, now using outright lies. She also said in recent TV interview that Meredith’s DNA was not on the knife! Wish I’d taken notes, I think it was Chris Cuomo interview. It was such a bold confabulation I could hardly credit it. Now this total fiction about Mignini. A pale horse comes to mind from Revelation, and what followed after.

Mr. Carlo Dalla Vedova and the amiable Ghirgha must be apoplectic at these rash statements by their client.

Posted by Hopeful on 05/09/13 at 09:26 PM | #

US mainstream media is all about circling the wagons. Can the strategy work?

Posted by Skeptical Bystander on 05/10/13 at 01:43 AM | #

I agree with James Raper about the indirect, malign aspersions cast….frequently. She does it with Raphaele too, quite early on in the book. Chilling, I found it.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 05/10/13 at 04:28 AM | #

Thanks everyone for the update about the New York Times.  I don’t understand what they’re up to in misrepresenting Knox as an accomplished writer.  She bumbled her way through two interviews and couldn’t even blurt out that she was innocent at the right moment.

I haven’t yet seen a review of her book in any of our province’s newspapers.  And I’m not that far from Seattle, either.  It’s as though it doesn’t exist here.

@James:  I didn’t really detect the subtle distinction between Mignini as the publicco ministero but not as the mayor.  I think, as you do, she’s just acting stupid.  She does the same thing relating how ‘quirky’ she is supposed to be by repeating a story about DJ wearing a mohawk.  Just in case you miss it the first time.  (Mohawks were ‘edgy’ about thirty years ago—you can’t throw a rock down the street these days without hitting a dozen kids in mohawks.)

Posted by Stilicho on 05/10/13 at 05:29 AM | #

Putting on hold the next post which was up briefly because we have new information. As Yummi has already reported on PMF we are hearing it is expected there will be a judical order to withdraw the Knox book throughout Europe.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/10/13 at 10:33 AM | #

I just wrote to the NYTimes and now wish I had sent a link in my email for the Bill Mahler Tarred Knox clip. 

Could anyone thinking of sending an email to the NYT editor please bring their attention to this brief clip??

Thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tD5n8AUHNHg

Posted by gardner on 05/10/13 at 01:06 PM | #

I wonder why none of the media have been interested in seeing the photograph of the Big Vashon Island Drinking Party hosted for the Groupies™ last summer.  Is it possible they haven’t republished it because they don’t know its copyrighted status?  It’s clear that they all have it in their possession by now.

Posted by Stilicho on 05/10/13 at 01:49 PM | #

Hi Gardner

Thanks on the NYTimes.  Here are some more suggested links for mind-changing posts here for Margaret Sullivan:

1) False claims in the book

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/the_amanda_knox_trainwreck_1_claims_about_prison_traumas_widely_cont/

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/the_amanda_knox_trainwreck_3_good_reporters/

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/The_Amanda_Knox_Trainwreck_knox_invents/

2) Poor reporting irritates Italy

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/it_seems_italys_anger_only_grows_read_la_naziones_editorial_today/

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/10/13 at 02:31 PM | #

This just in:

“LAS VEGAS — O.J. Simpson will return next week to the Las Vegas courthouse where he was convicted of leading an armed sports memorabilia heist to ask a judge for a new trial on the grounds that his lawyer botched his case……”

Should AK & RS take yet another leaf from OJ’s M.O.O. ?

Posted by Cardiol MD on 05/10/13 at 03:12 PM | #

Hi Cardiol

Hmmm. “...botched the case…”

I’ll be interested to hear what you make of AKs remarks in the book about her lawyers, especially Dalla Vedova who she pretty bluntly said broke the law.

None of the defense lawyers has even impressed me. They were pathetic at trial and only won at the annulled appeal because of some seriously dirty games to do with judge-swapping which one day when charges go public we’ll be able to post about.

Only Bongiorno has handled cases before Cassation and her record is one of a steady losing streak. The others are way out of their depths.

They had the ultimate responsibility for cleaning up these books or stopping them, and yet they let them both go forward, and BOTH clients now face very serious new felony charges.

AK and RS will lose the next appeal based solely on the hard evidence (Cassation has made that a sure thing) but the lawyers have done nothing but make their situations worse.

So yes, I could see “botched the case” being bandied about in future. Though the crazed PR didnt make their tasks any easier.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/10/13 at 04:05 PM | #

In any New York Times emails, you might wish to include this advice:

We are hearing that a judicial order to HarperCollins to withdraw the book all over Europe is now only a matter of time. HarperCollins in the United States may come to decide they must also comply or appear to be deliberately complicit in criminal defamation.

As we’ve said repeatedly, the book is riddled with criminal defamation of officers of the court in the middle of an ongoing judicial process. The book is almost entirely fiction. We predict it will soon be ex-fiction.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/10/13 at 04:20 PM | #

In the book Amanda says days passed after Rita Ficarra first told her the public minister might or might not grant her permission to go to Germany. It seems Knox would have talked intensely with Raf about who this man was, and want to know desperately who the public minister was. Surely Raf would have clued her into the fact that the public minister Mignini was a very high official who was vital to their interests.

Wasn’t Raf on the phone with his father getting advice, telling Dr. Sollecito who they were speaking to at the Questura. Was Raf ignorant of Mignini’s role? I can’t imagine the doctor was, but if so he had his own daughter Vanessa Sollecito to inform him and she was a police officer.

Amanda and Raf would have been having intense conversations in private about the Questura personnel who were calling them in for talks. The two lovebirds were probably discussing at length how to fine tune their alibis and who presented the biggest threat to them at the Questura, which specific policemen, attorneys, or officials had power over them in their last free days before the arrests. Their interests were in lockstep suddenly when Amanda stayed constantly with Raf in the week after the crime.

It’s quite possible that the airhead Amanda did not at first realize who the public minister was, but it would have become a topic of great interest to her and she would have pressed Raf to tell her. Surely he tried, for both their sakes. Or did Fate confuse the counsel of Meredith’s enemies in a gigantic breakdown of communication?

Posted by Hopeful on 05/10/13 at 04:27 PM | #

Another thing I have to notice about Amanda Knox is that she´s obviously an extreme attention seeker. Wasn´t she recently crying and bawling so loudly and grating on everyone`s nerves in a hotel room that police had to be called ? At least that´s what I heard.

Posted by aethelred23 on 05/10/13 at 06:00 PM | #

I agree with aetheired23, AK is seeking continuos attention. I wonder where was her family that night she described in the hotel room…
And from this episode alone it is clear that she would desperately need therapy instead of a book tour with her “imaginary memoir”.

From the CNN report:
“Describing a panic attack she had this past weekend, Knox reveals, “I sit in my hotel room and cry so loud the security calls the room because the person next door has heard me crying. It’s really hard for me to talk to people about it. It’s like as soon as I allow myself to cry, I can’t stop.”

Posted by Hungarian. on 05/10/13 at 06:11 PM | #

I was ever so happy to let the NYTimes know of the stinking pile o’ lies Amanda puked onto paper.

Yes aetheired…Amanda irritated hotel guests by bawling at the top of her lungs.

Posted by Bettina on 05/10/13 at 06:18 PM | #

Concerning the Arias thing before I leave it alone. It has been suggested that Arias (Read Knox) have trouble functioning in the real world which they consider themselves to be the center of.

That being said people who have this kind of personality disorder see the world as writing their own script and therefore they are in no way responsible for any outcome. Knox (like Arias) craves attention hence the outrageous bawling in the hotel room.

They can’t possibly be left alone since they need other people to prove that they are alive. That’s where the sex comes in. It’s not for pleasure it’s for power. That’s where the lack of personal hygiene comes from.
It’s all “Look at me Look at me.”

Posted by Grahame Rhodes on 05/10/13 at 09:18 PM | #

@Grahame Rhodes
I do agree with you…such disorderly minds mean that they are pathologically unable to self-reflect, and therefore unable to give themselves the attention they need…hence the desperation to be getting it from others.
And somewhere they know something is erroneous with their behaviour, hence an unreasonable demand for others to like them, or approve of them, - insatiable because on the wrong footing..
Sad, but more than sad, because so harmful and destructive to others.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 05/10/13 at 09:35 PM | #

@Grahame Rhodes, I agree too. I recently saw a video of Arias after she was arrested and incredibly enough, she was doing a headstand in it. She is so similar to AK in so many ways that it is downright creepy. But what amazes me is that some people still think that AK doing splits and cartwheels was acceptable, while they are quick to condemn Arias for the headstand. What is the difference, really?

Posted by Sara on 05/11/13 at 12:53 AM | #

I said -

“However to be fair she says that she thought that pubblico ministero meant mayor, not that Mignini was the mayor”

Apologies Stilicho. This from later on in the book -

“The first time I met Mignini at the questura, I hadn’t understood who he was, what was going on, what was wrong, why people were yelling at me, why I couldn’t remember anything. I thought he was someone who could help me (the mayor), not the person who would sign my arrest warrant and put me behind bars.”

Posted by James Raper on 05/11/13 at 07:04 AM | #

Hi James

There are of course multiple witnesses to the fact that Mignini explained fully who he was when he went through the formal process of Miranderising her at the second interview that night.

She was remembering plenty and babbling it out at both interviews. Mignini had limited interest in seeing her record her second statement (her idea), he was more interested in retrieving Patrick who she was vividly describing as the real murderer.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/11/13 at 08:07 AM | #

Hi James again

I’m convinced Knox had a shadow writer they dont want to own up to. That just isnt her style. No way. Is it Gumbel again?  It sure reads like him.

Its like reading Sollecito: too many small facts are wrong for no obvious reason except the writer didnt know the whole story and/or hadnt been there.

A bicycle ride from her house to the school? They are miles apart and the only fast (fast-ish) route is a freeway to the east of downtown. No bicycles allowed.

Her parents lived two blocks apart? More like two miles, the neighborhoods are quite different (Curt’s glitzy, Edda’s really downbeat).

Almost every page theres one. The invented interview with Mignini could well have emerged because the ghost didnt understand.

Gumbel sure had it in for Mignini in Sollecito;s book. He was a disastrous choice for that and Sollecito clearly couldnt recall what the book had made up. 

Posted by Peter Quennell on 05/11/13 at 10:38 AM | #

@Sara

Living in England I’m not familiar with the Arias case but it does sound strangely coincidental i.e. headstand versus splits/cartwheels.

I think in the literature it’s called “acting-out”. Whenever internal pressure from whatever is denied reaches a certain point it can boil over into that kind of extrovert, inappropriate and often very physical behaviour. The pent-up energy has to find some outlet. We are all likely to do this to some less theatrical extent (kicking the broken down car for example) but actual acrobatics by witnesses and “friends” of a murder victim, while in a police station, are likely to be viewed by the police with deep suspicion, and rightly so!

Posted by Odysseus on 05/11/13 at 04:20 PM | #

I am sure that it has not been lost on TJMK contributors that Knox’s “memory” only causes her confusion when she is trying to wriggle away from a particular, incriminating issue, but is singularly (and very helpfully for her), clear and reliable when she is offering any general “truth” that exculpates her.

Thus, she is definite and clear that she spent the whole evening of Nov 1st 2007 and up to 10.30 am on the following morning, with Sollecito, at his house.

However, when asked about the details of her overnight stay, she knows that she was not in the house for all of that period, so suddenly her memory fails her and it all becomes a druggy haze.

BTW, my thanks to anyone who can find any video evidence, (at any time, but particularly during her press conference on her return to Seattle after her “acquittal”), of a single tear leaving Knox’s eyes when she was apparently so upset about the alleged “injustice” and “suffering” that she has endured, 

Please ignore the many instances of her screwing up her face or speaking in a tremulous voice, both of which are well within the range even of Knox, the ham actress.

Posted by Mealer on 02/26/14 at 05:57 AM | #


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