The Knox Interrogation Hoax #1: Overview Of The Series - Multiple Knox Versions v One Stark Truth
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1. Court-Accepted Events Of 5-6 November 2007
This is an overview of Knox’s so-called “interrogation” at Perugia’s central police station, the subject of the first ten posts.
It led to her arrest and three years served. To make this picture really firm we will quote a lot of the testimony at trial. The Case Wiki carries all of these transcripts, many in English translation, and more.
Senior Inspector Rita Ficarra testified that she arrived back at the police station late on 5 November, and finds her way blocked by a cartwheeling Knox.
She rebukes Knox, who testily responds that she is tired of the investigation. Rita Ficarra tells Knox to go home and get some sleep. Knox testily refuses, and remains there.
Shortly after, Ficarra suggests to Knox that if she really wants to help, she could add to the list of possible perps - men who Meredith knew and who might have visited the house.
As the defenses themselves acknowledge during their cross-examinations of key investigators present on the night, this was an informal recap/summary session, a simple checking of facts with someone who might or might not be of help.
This could have been done on a street corner or in a house by a single officer. It was not a witness or suspect interrogation.
Knox eagerly agrees. So they begin on the list.
This goes slowly because of language problems, until an interpreter, Anna Donnino, arrives. In total only Knox and four others (three of them women) are present.
Knox builds a list of seven people and adds maps and phone numbers (placed in evidence) in a calm proceeding. These were the names: Peter Svizzero, Patrick, Ardak, Juve, Spiros, Shaki and “a South African [Guede]” who played basketball near the house.
At several points in the evening Knox is provided with refreshments. No voices are ever raised, no bathroom breaks are refused.
Inspector Napoleoni and a couple of colleagues are seeking facts from Sollecito in a separate wing. Shown conflicts between what he has said and what his phone records show, Sollecito backtracks and declares that Knox went out alone, and made him lie.
Knox is gently informed of this, and nobody reports any immediate reaction. Knox defense lawyers in cross examination do not go there at all.
Suddenly, to the considerable surprise of all present, Knox has a yelling, head-clutching conniption (the first of several that night) when they observe a text she had denied sending, saying she would see that person later.
Knox explains that it was Patrick, who they had never heard of, along with a torrent of yelled accusations. As described at trial, various efforts are made to try to help Knox to calm down.
Despite warnings she should not do so without a lawyer, Knox insists on a recorded statement which says she headed out to meet Patrick that night after he texted her. She accuses Patrick of killing Meredith.
Knox is put on hold, given more refreshments, and made comfortable on some chairs so she might try to get some sleep.
A second session ending at 5:45 is intended as merely a formal reading of Knox’s legal status and her right to a lawyer, with Dr Mignini presiding.
Having again been strongly warned that she should not do so without a lawyer present and no questions can be asked, Knox nevertheless insists on a spontaneous statement culminating in a second recorded statement.
This also says she went out to meet Patrick that night, also accuses Patrick of killing Meredith, and now also hints Sollecito may have been there.
Just before noon, now under arrest and about to be taken to Capanne Prison, Knox insists on writing out at length a third statement this time in English.
She gleefully hands it to Rita Ficcara who of course cannot read it as she as no English. In the statement, Knox included this damning remark without any mention of having been coerced: “The questions that need answering, at least for how I’m thinking are… 2. Why did I think of Patrik?”
Knox’s lawyers have never ever substantially challenge this version. At trial they accept that there was no interrogation, leave standing that Knox insisted on all three statements, and dont ever pursue Knox’s claims that she was coerced.
In July 2009 at trial Knox herself tried to challenge this scenario in face of days and days of prior testimony. Of course she was disbelieved. For the calunnia framing of Patrick Lumumba Judge Massei sentenced her to a year more than Sollecito, later amended by Judge Hellmann to three years served.
The Supreme Court overruled her appeal. For her false claims she is a felon for life with the possibility of more years inside.
2. The Knox-Promoted Alternative Version
This will be the subject of many later posts. Though her precise claims vary and often contradict one another, Knox herself has on and off since November 2007 tried to portray otherwise the cause of her conniption and her false accusation of Patrick for the death of Meredith.
For example read this post of 11 February 2009 which was about two weeks before the Knox “interrogators” were cross-examined at trial, and several months before Knox herself took the stand.
Her defense team furthered this version in the annulled appeal in 2011, and she did so in for example her April 2013 book, her December 2013 email to Judge Nencini, her appeal to EHCR Strasbourg, some TV and newspaper interviews, including one with the Italian weekly Oggi and now her further appeal to the Supreme Court.
This version has been blown up by a number of others in internet posts, articles, TV interviews, and books. Among others propagating it have been Raffaele Sollecito (in his book), Doug Preston, Saul Kassin, John Douglas, Jim Clemente, Paul Ciolino, Michael Heavey, Greg Hampikian, Chris Halkidis, Mark Waterbury, Doug Bremner, Candace Dempsey, Nina Burleigh, Steve Moore, Bruce Fischer, and many posters on the Knox sites and on Ground Report.
- Here is Steve Moore claiming that around a dozen cops in rotating tag teams of two assaulted a starving and sleepless Knox over 20/30/40 hours, threatened her, and refused her a lawyer throughout.
- Here is Saul Kassin claiming that Knox was interrogated over the entire night of 5-6 November, until she was finally broken and a coerced “confession” emerged - even though the “false confession” actually framed Patrick and was in reality a false accusation. That Kassin ignores.
- Here are several former profilers actually expanding upon the same claims in a book with (today) 60 five-star reviews.
And yet Knox’s own Italian lawyers specifically denied her accusations! No complaint against the police was ever lodged.
And of course Judge Massei, the discredited Judge Hellmann, and Cassation all disbelieved the claims and Knox served her three years.
But still the hoax keeps rolling on, on TV and books and websites.
3. The Intended Course Of Our Interrogation-Hoax Series
Hopefully we will get this done in 20 posts. Starting in the next post is trial testimony, the first from Inspector Ficarra, newly translated by the professional translator ZiaK.
Rita Ficarra presided over the first recap/summary with Knox (again, a recap/summary is not an interrogation) on 5-6 November and was later present when Knox was read her rights.
We’ll then post more newly-translated trial testimony of other police present at the central police station on the night, and what the magistrates in 2008 and 2008 and trial and appeal judges from 2009 to 2014 made of this.
Then we enter the alternative universe of the numerous conspiracy claims, extending to Sollecito’s 2012 book and Knox’s 2013 book, her lengthy email to Judge Nencini in 2014, and so to her appeal to Cassation, pending as of this date.
4 A Guide To Posts In The Series
This list of posts is updated each time a new post in the series is added.
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #1: Overview Of The Series - The Two Version of the 5-6 Nov 2007 Events
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #2: Trial Testimony From Rita Ficcara On Realities 5-6 Nov
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #3: More Defense Pussyfooting Toward Rita Ficcara, Key Witness
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #4: More Hard Realities Fron Rita Ficcara, More Nervousness From Defense
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #5: Key Witness Monica Napoleoni Confirms Knox Self-Imploded 5-6 Nov
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #6: Sollecito Transcript & Actions Further Damage Knox Version
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #7: Testimony Of Witness Lorena Zugarini On The Knox Conniption 5-6 Nov
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #8: Testimony Of Interpreter Anna Donnino On Events Night Of 5 November
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #9: Officer Moscatelli’s Recap/Summary Session With Sollecito 5-6 Nov
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #10: Challenge To Readers: Spot The Two Landmines For Lawyers & Knox
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #11: Why Prosecution And Defenses Never Believed Knox’s Version
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #12: Proof Released That In 5-6 Nov Session Knox Worked On Names List
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #13: The First Two Pre-Trial Opportunities Which Knox Flunked
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #14: The Third Pre-Trial Opportunitty Which Knox Flunked
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #15: Dr Mignini’s Knowledge Of Knox “Interrogation” Explained To Media
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #16: The Fourth Pre-Trial Opportunity Which Knox Flunked
Click here: The Knox Interrogation Hoax #17: Sollecito April 2008 Before Supreme Court Again Coldsholders Knox
Click here:The Knox Interrogation Hoax #18: The Final Pre-Trial Opportunities Which Knox Flunked
Damaging to the hoax (and the hoaxers) is that Knox sits placidly through all of this without interruption.
The defenses in their cross-examinations (see the next several posts) have no idea what to believe from what the erratic Knox has told them.
In sharp contrast here Dr Mignini is well set up and confident and clearly knows where he is going with the super-smart Rita Ficarra.
He knows there is no police pressure that will flare out to undermine the prosecution case here. Here are 10 points made not at all helpful to Knox and the meme of “police coercion”.
1. Knox could have gone off home to sleep right then.
And continuing to speak, the girl told me that she was rather shocked at the fact, annoyed at the fact that she had been called and recalled several times by the Police and [that] she was totally tired.
At that point, I also admonished her because I said: you’re tired, yet nonetheless you came this evening, when nobody has invited you: you could have gone to rest.
2. Knox was not a co-operative or reliable witness.
I explained to her that the reason for which she had been called and recalled several times, it was because there had emerged some significant contradictions between what she had declared and the subsequent information that other subjects had given us, that there had even emerged some lies in the end,
3. Rita Ficarra only wanted a list of contacts.
I, from the first time that I heard her, I always insisted on knowing what the victim’s associations might be, whether she knew which people had known her [i.e. the victim], with friendly relationships, with mere acquaintanceship, who had been to the house, above all subjects who had been to the house there.
4. Knox seemingly eagerly spreads the net of suspicion.
...she understands my intentions and says to me: “Ok, I now will tell you the names of other persons” because I invited her myself to look at her mobile phone, at the phonebook/contacts list, I say “Bring someone to your mind. It’s not possible that no-one ever entered this house, or only two people. Call to mind who might have known her”.
So she runs through her mobile-phone contacts list and starts to look at a series of numbers, and then she remembers and says to me “Look, it’s come [back], there were another four-five people that I know who knew her, some of these actually came to the house, some of them I brought myself”. She gives me the references of telephone numbers and [maps etc]
5. Knox points to a “short” South African; really Guede
She furthermore reports about a black South African boy, short, who plays basketball in the Piazza Grimana court, [and] who on one occasion had apparently visited the home of the boys who lived underneath the apartment.
GM: Was “South African” an exact term?
RF: No, no. In fact, I wanted to explain that she didn’t recall the particulars of this boy, or at least she did not tell me about them…
6. Knox admits drugs and names dope dealer
RF: In short, she never saw or smoked joints, had never used drugs, but here instead she says, contrary to what she had told me, she says to me that yes, a few times I’ve used, or at any rate I’ve used …
GCM: But only that which you have …
RF: She tells me this, I say it in the note, she tells me herself.
GCM: Yes, in the note, in this conversation…
RF: She tells me also who supplied it in this circumstance.
7. Knox was very calm after reprimand for cartwheels
GM: So, even while you were listening to her, she was as unworried/unconcerned as she had been?
RF: I told you that she was doing cartwheels…
GM: No, no, that was when you arrived. But I’m saying, even when, shortly after midnight, you had started to hear her [NdT: i.e. listen to what she had to say]?
RF: She was very calm, she was calm because we had a quiet chat, I said “Since you came here yourself, no-one called you, you’re giving me extra information, let’s write it down properly, because there could be very important details for us”. She had understood very well that ...
And she was calm, she says [sic]: “Yes, yes, ok. let’s wait for the interpreter that way we avoid misunderstandings”, and that is what we did.
8. Sollecito in his questioning withdrew Knox’s alibi early
And then after that came the Deputy Commissioner Monica Napoleoni, who says to me that Sollecito had said different things, that in effect he was no longer giving an alibi to Amanda, and therefore to ask Amanda, since I was recording [NdT: in the sense “writing down what was said”] her - [or] I had started to report/write down - to ask what the latter had done that evening in particular, in other words, to focus on that evening more than on anything else: we were interested in the hour more or less preceeding ...
9. Judge Massei [GCM] insists on a description of Knox’s conniption
We found only that one [text] sent by her. She, in the moment in which was, she was given the mobile into her hand, so it was said who is this person, so did you go out later or not, she said the name of Patrick Lumumba and gave the declaration that then ...
GM: And what behaviour did she then adopt/assume?
RF: She suddenly put her hands to her head, burst out crying and said to us “It’s him, it’s him, it was him, he killed her”. It was the only time that I saw her cry.
GM: This behaviour, did she then continue like that during the course of that morning, by now we were at what time?...
RF: No, she was as if she was giving vent in that moment, she cried, she began to say that he was crazy, he was crazy.
LG: No, that’s not possible, excuse me…
GCM: No, the question ...
GM: I was still talking about the behaviour.
GB: The behaviour is [described] in all the reports.
GCM: No, the behaviour, what was it?
RF: But this is not in the reports.
GCM: Sorry, the behaviour, what was it [like]?
RF: The behaviour was that she brought her hands ...
GCM: Were there fits of crying, were there ...
RF: Yes, yes. She brought her hands to her head, she started to “sgrullare” [NdT: Tuscan dialect: = either “shake” or “hit”] her head, she started to weep, she burst out crying and said that it was him.
LG: And suspends the report.
RF: I suspended the report obviously so that she could say what she said to me.
10. Knox was not threatened or intimidated
GM: Was she intimidated, threatened?
RF: No. I, as I said earlier, I came in that evening and there were some colleagues from the Rome SCO, I was with Inspector Fausto Passeri, then I saw come out, that is come out from the entry-door to the offices of the Flying [Squad] the Assistant Zugarini and Monica Napoleoni, who appeared for an instant just outside there, then we went back in calmly, because the discussion we had with her was quite calm.
Everything that she asked [for] we gave it to her, I repeat, she was treated with firmness and severity whereby by “severity” I mean that she was admonished in the moment when circumstances called for admonishment. She was treated with kindness and courtesy by all, because nothing was denied to her that she wanted.
In fact I made her sleep, I took her down for breakfast, I took her back [NdT: down to the canteen] before she left for jail to eat something because it was late by then. It seems to me that nobody in there treated her badly, absolutely [not].
Knox has served her sentence for framing Patrick. This does still matter legally and substantively in one sense. The coercion hoax is at the heart of the “appeal” that Knox’s lawyers have sent to Strasbourg to the European Court of Human Rights. On that for now (more in posts later):
Congratulations, and thanks to all the translators at .ORG and the Wiki who worked so hard to increase our understanding of this case.
I should mention however that Amanda Knox has been busted copying many of the translations, wrongly attributing them to IIP. The Giordano Report and Donino testimony come to mind, but, there are many more instances. Changing a few words here and some sentences there does not qualify as original work!
May I suggest that each translation have a copyright and fair use notice appended to them? As a writer I feel very strongly when people appropriate other people’s work.
Knox’s writing professors at UW clearly have failed to teach her the difference between research, and plagiarism. Or she is just, as always, tone deaf. But she clearly is responsible for the copying; WORD metadata shows the ‘translations’ were run through her own computer.
I have perhaps been too kind. The word is Theft.
Unfortunately among the knoxophiles this will do no good since they will insist that this is all lies. If you go to the pro Knox sites ‘Ground Report’ or ‘World of Psychology’ “The sacrifice of Amanda Knox” (Sorry I just threw up in my mouth)
You will find the usual tired bunch of Knox supporters repeating the same mantra over and over.
ie “There’s no evidence.” ie “It’s all Mignini’s fault” Satanic sex games. Rotten third world Italians out to get unsuspecting American girls etc;
Truly amazing that they even consider that their little diatribe will make the slightest difference. In fact they do more harm than good, but then there are still those who insist that Jodi Arias is innocent.
The tide is turning even more because all it will take is just one crack in the wall and it will come tumbling down and then watch the fur fly because the above mentioned ‘carpet baggers’ will have to find something else to promote themselves and their sorry little lives.
So be it. We will make continuous holes in the ever diminishing wall they have erected until it collapses and people will forget that Knox ever existed….........
Only Meredith will remain as a shining light of intelligence.
Ergon & Grahame
First we need to get out for the 99% of the world that is NOT them the complete correct narrative of the night which we now have in the translated transcripts and Massei.
We will then be posting on whatever “alternative truths” they post - which right now is far from internally consistent (e: either you post Ficaara & Donnino OR you post Moore and John Douglas; never never post both as they are like matter and antimatter.)
There already is one example on the site of a short but correct version of the true narrative and an FOA invention side by side (well, vertically side by side) and although we havent got the guy (Kassin) to remove all his claims yet, we are remorseless and he knows that.
Above all this series will illustrate for those in Italy more than anything else we have posted what is being said in the US about them. Then they have their own powers to weigh in with.
And the Knox team will have to kiss goodbye to the guts of their appeals to Cassation and the ECHR. Their island gets even smaller.
A very good, factual and unambiguous post, - with excellent quality of translation, which also gives a good indication of how the Italian language and vocabulary is used.
the acting of AK gave her away big time ... the hands on head and face and her words “patrick is bad, he is the killer, i am afraid of him” ...
Right. The 4 others in the room jumped a foot!
Its vague in the testimonies precisely when AK was told RS had said she went out. (If you see differently please say?)
Ficarra heard it quietly from Napoleoni; Ak doesnt seem to have clutched her ears and squawked then IF she was told (thats vague).
In both of the 2 statements she put in that she said goodbye to RS and headed out to see Patrick - why? To pick a bone?
I am wondering if its those few “unwise” words dropping her in it which led to her memoriale note which dropped that late on the morning of the 6th.
Apologies for going off topic but I wondered if others had seen this:
‘...“In that period of time we’re talking about a continuous crime,” said Mr Galasso. He said the deal between the mafia and Berlusconi, mediated by Dell’Utri, was formed in 1974 and “was implemented voluntarily and knowingly”.
Berlusconi yesterday attacked “biased” judges. “[The rulings] are what the left has tried to do to me since ‘94,” he told Ansa news agency.
Giuseppe Di Peri, the lawyer for Dell’Utri who has always denied mob links, said his client would appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg…’
Appeal to the ECHR? Seem to have heard that before. (Surely, by definition, it’s not a suitable court for appeals from subhumans).
A huge misunderstanding has been deliberately created in the UK and US out of the automatic appeals in the Italian system and their huge volume.
This is the only country we know of in the world that has them and it implies nothing about the competence of the trial process and those involved. Most appeal processes at their very end confirm the trial outcome, same conviction ratio as in the UK and US.
Appeals to ECHR Strasbourg are also something all Italian defense lawyers want to do.
They do this early, usually soon after trial.The whole point is to try to make the Italian appeal courts blink.
Ergon among others here keeps a close eye on this and found the ECHR hardly ever advances “appeals” from Italy. Almost all are frivolous, they eat up the scarce time of the ECHR staff, and the burden is unfair to real victims of poor justice elsewhere.
Knox lied in her own “appeal” to ECHR precisely on the lines explained in this series. We had several posts on that. So not so off-topic at all!