Knox Interrogation Hoax #1: Masterlist Of Posts Re Pre-Trial Events And Hoax Overview

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Damaging to the hoax (and the hoaxers) is that Knox sits placidly through all of this without interruption.

The defenses in their cross-examinations (see the next several posts) have no idea what to believe from what the erratic Knox has told them.

In sharp contrast here Dr Mignini is well set up and confident and clearly knows where he is going with the super-smart Rita Ficarra.

He knows there is no police pressure that will flare out to undermine the prosecution case here. Here are 10 points made not at all helpful to Knox and the meme of “police coercion”.

1. Knox could have gone off home to sleep right then.

And continuing to speak, the girl told me that she was rather shocked at the fact, annoyed at the fact that she had been called and recalled several times by the Police and [that] she was totally tired.

At that point, I also admonished her because I said: you’re tired, yet nonetheless you came this evening, when nobody has invited you: you could have gone to rest.

2. Knox was not a co-operative or reliable witness.

I explained to her that the reason for which she had been called and recalled several times, it was because there had emerged some significant contradictions between what she had declared and the subsequent information that other subjects had given us, that there had even emerged some lies in the end,

3. Rita Ficarra only wanted a list of contacts.

I, from the first time that I heard her, I always insisted on knowing what the victim’s associations might be, whether she knew which people had known her [i.e. the victim], with friendly relationships, with mere acquaintanceship, who had been to the house, above all subjects who had been to the house there.

4. Knox seemingly eagerly spreads the net of suspicion.

...she understands my intentions and says to me: “Ok, I now will tell you the names of other persons” because I invited her myself to look at her mobile phone, at the phonebook/contacts list, I say “Bring someone to your mind. It’s not possible that no-one ever entered this house, or only two people. Call to mind who might have known her”.

So she runs through her mobile-phone contacts list and starts to look at a series of numbers, and then she remembers and says to me “Look, it’s come [back], there were another four-five people that I know who knew her, some of these actually came to the house, some of them I brought myself”. She gives me the references of telephone numbers and [maps etc]

5. Knox points to a “short” South African; really Guede

She furthermore reports about a black South African boy, short, who plays basketball in the Piazza Grimana court, [and] who on one occasion had apparently visited the home of the boys who lived underneath the apartment.

GM: Was “South African” an exact term?

RF: No, no. In fact, I wanted to explain that she didn’t recall the particulars of this boy, or at least she did not tell me about them…

6. Knox admits drugs and names dope dealer

RF: In short, she never saw or smoked joints, had never used drugs, but here instead she says, contrary to what she had told me, she says to me that yes, a few times I’ve used, or at any rate I’ve used …

GCM: But only that which you have …

RF: She tells me this, I say it in the note, she tells me herself.

GCM: Yes, in the note, in this conversation…

RF: She tells me also who supplied it in this circumstance.

7. Knox was very calm after reprimand for cartwheels

GM: So, even while you were listening to her, she was as unworried/unconcerned as she had been?

RF: I told you that she was doing cartwheels…

GM: No, no, that was when you arrived. But I’m saying, even when, shortly after midnight, you had started to hear her [NdT: i.e. listen to what she had to say]?

RF: She was very calm, she was calm because we had a quiet chat, I said “Since you came here yourself, no-one called you, you’re giving me extra information, let’s write it down properly, because there could be very important details for us”. She had understood very well that ...

And she was calm, she says [sic]: “Yes, yes, ok. let’s wait for the interpreter that way we avoid misunderstandings”, and that is what we did.

8. Sollecito in his questioning withdrew Knox’s alibi early

And then after that came the Deputy Commissioner Monica Napoleoni, who says to me that Sollecito had said different things, that in effect he was no longer giving an alibi to Amanda, and therefore to ask Amanda, since I was recording [NdT: in the sense “writing down what was said”] her - [or] I had started to report/write down - to ask what the latter had done that evening in particular, in other words, to focus on that evening more than on anything else: we were interested in the hour more or less preceeding ...

9. Judge Massei [GCM] insists on a description of Knox’s conniption

We found only that one [text] sent by her. She, in the moment in which was, she was given the mobile into her hand, so it was said who is this person, so did you go out later or not, she said the name of Patrick Lumumba and gave the declaration that then ...

GM: And what behaviour did she then adopt/assume?

RF: She suddenly put her hands to her head, burst out crying and said to us “It’s him, it’s him, it was him, he killed her”. It was the only time that I saw her cry.

GM: This behaviour, did she then continue like that during the course of that morning, by now we were at what time?...

RF: No, she was as if she was giving vent in that moment, she cried, she began to say that he was crazy, he was crazy.

LG: No, that’s not possible, excuse me…

GCM: No, the question ...

GM: I was still talking about the behaviour.

GB: The behaviour is [described] in all the reports.

GCM: No, the behaviour, what was it?

RF: But this is not in the reports.

GCM: Sorry, the behaviour, what was it [like]?

RF: The behaviour was that she brought her hands ...

GCM: Were there fits of crying, were there ...

RF: Yes, yes. She brought her hands to her head, she started to “sgrullare” [NdT: Tuscan dialect: = either “shake” or “hit”] her head, she started to weep, she burst out crying and said that it was him.

GCM: Please.

LG: And suspends the report.

RF: I suspended the report obviously so that she could say what she said to me.

10. Knox was not threatened or intimidated

GM: Was she intimidated, threatened?

RF: No. I, as I said earlier, I came in that evening and there were some colleagues from the Rome SCO, I was with Inspector Fausto Passeri, then I saw come out, that is come out from the entry-door to the offices of the Flying [Squad] the Assistant Zugarini and Monica Napoleoni, who appeared for an instant just outside there, then we went back in calmly, because the discussion we had with her was quite calm.

Everything that she asked [for] we gave it to her, I repeat, she was treated with firmness and severity whereby by “severity” I mean that she was admonished in the moment when circumstances called for admonishment. She was treated with kindness and courtesy by all, because nothing was denied to her that she wanted.

In fact I made her sleep, I took her down for breakfast, I took her back [NdT: down to the canteen] before she left for jail to eat something because it was late by then. It seems to me that nobody in there treated her badly, absolutely [not].

Knox has served her sentence for framing Patrick. This does still matter legally and substantively in one sense. The coercion hoax is at the heart of the “appeal” that Knox’s lawyers have sent to Strasbourg to the European Court of Human Rights. On that for now (more in posts later):

Kermit http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/amanda_knox_lies_again_to_get_herself_into_another_european_court/

James Raper http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/note_for_strasbourg_court_and_state_department_/

FinnMacCool http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/multiple_provably_false_claims_about_false_confession/

Congratulations, and thanks to all the translators at .ORG and the Wiki who worked so hard to increase our understanding of this case.

I should mention however that Amanda Knox has been busted copying many of the translations, wrongly attributing them to IIP. The Giordano Report and Donino testimony come to mind, but, there are many more instances. Changing a few words here and some sentences there does not qualify as original work!

May I suggest that each translation have a copyright and fair use notice appended to them? As a writer I feel very strongly when people appropriate other people’s work.

Knox’s writing professors at UW clearly have failed to teach her the difference between research, and plagiarism. Or she is just, as always, tone deaf. But she clearly is responsible for the copying; WORD metadata shows the ‘translations’ were run through her own computer.

I have perhaps been too kind. The word is Theft.

Unfortunately among the knoxophiles this will do no good since they will insist that this is all lies. If you go to the pro Knox sites ‘Ground Report’ or ‘World of Psychology’ “The sacrifice of Amanda Knox” (Sorry I just threw up in my mouth)

You will find the usual tired bunch of Knox supporters repeating the same mantra over and over.
ie “There’s no evidence.” ie “It’s all Mignini’s fault” Satanic sex games. Rotten third world Italians out to get unsuspecting American girls etc;

Truly amazing that they even consider that their little diatribe will make the slightest difference. In fact they do more harm than good, but then there are still those who insist that Jodi Arias is innocent.

The tide is turning even more because all it will take is just one crack in the wall and it will come tumbling down and then watch the fur fly because the above mentioned ‘carpet baggers’ will have to find something else to promote themselves and their sorry little lives.

So be it. We will make continuous holes in the ever diminishing wall they have erected until it collapses and people will forget that Knox ever existed….........

Only Meredith will remain as a shining light of intelligence.

Ergon & Grahame

First we need to get out for the 99% of the world that is NOT them the complete correct narrative of the night which we now have in the translated transcripts and Massei.

We will then be posting on whatever “alternative truths” they post - which right now is far from internally consistent (e: either you post Ficaara & Donnino OR you post Moore and John Douglas; never never post both as they are like matter and antimatter.)

There already is one example on the site of a short but correct version of the true narrative and an FOA invention side by side (well, vertically side by side) and although we havent got the guy (Kassin) to remove all his claims yet, we are remorseless and he knows that.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/Correcting_Saul_Kassins_Massively_inaccuraate_description/

Above all this series will illustrate for those in Italy more than anything else we have posted what is being said in the US about them. Then they have their own powers to weigh in with.

And the Knox team will have to kiss goodbye to the guts of their appeals to Cassation and the ECHR. Their island gets even smaller.

A very good, factual and unambiguous post, - with excellent quality of translation, which also gives a good indication of how the Italian language and vocabulary is used.

the acting of AK gave her away big time ... the hands on head and face and her words “patrick is bad, he is the killer, i am afraid of him” ...

Hi Popper

Right. The 4 others in the room jumped a foot!

Its vague in the testimonies precisely when AK was told RS had said she went out. (If you see differently please say?)

Ficarra heard it quietly from Napoleoni; Ak doesnt seem to have clutched her ears and squawked then IF she was told (thats vague).

In both of the 2 statements she put in that she said goodbye to RS and headed out to see Patrick - why? To pick a bone?

I am wondering if its those few “unwise” words dropping her in it which led to her memoriale note which dropped that late on the morning of the 6th.

Apologies for going off topic but I wondered if others had seen this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/silvio-and-the-cosa-nostra-berlusconis-links-with-italian-organised-crime-confirmed-9358790.html

‘...“In that period of time we’re talking about a continuous crime,” said Mr Galasso. He said the deal between the mafia and Berlusconi, mediated by Dell’Utri, was formed in 1974 and “was implemented voluntarily and knowingly”.

Berlusconi yesterday attacked “biased” judges. “[The rulings] are what the left has tried to do to me since ‘94,” he told Ansa news agency.

Giuseppe Di Peri, the lawyer for Dell’Utri who has always denied mob links, said his client would appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg…’

Appeal to the ECHR? Seem to have heard that before. (Surely, by definition, it’s not a suitable court for appeals from subhumans).

Hi Odysseus

Good catch.

A huge misunderstanding has been deliberately created in the UK and US out of the automatic appeals in the Italian system and their huge volume.

This is the only country we know of in the world that has them and it implies nothing about the competence of the trial process and those involved. Most appeal processes at their very end confirm the trial outcome, same conviction ratio as in the UK and US.

Appeals to ECHR Strasbourg are also something all Italian defense lawyers want to do.

They do this early, usually soon after trial.The whole point is to try to make the Italian appeal courts blink.

Ergon among others here keeps a close eye on this and found the ECHR hardly ever advances “appeals” from Italy. Almost all are frivolous, they eat up the scarce time of the ECHR staff, and the burden is unfair to real victims of poor justice elsewhere.

Knox lied in her own “appeal” to ECHR precisely on the lines explained in this series.  We had several posts on that. So not so off-topic at all!

Where next:

Or to next entry Knox Interrogation Hoax #2: Trial Testimony From Rita Ficcara On Realities 5-6 Nov

Or to previous entry Amanda Knox’s Awkward, Robotic TV Appearances: New Science Could Blow Away Such Fraud