Wednesday, October 16, 2013

Amanda Knox Risks Penalties For Felony Claims No Different From What Already Cost Her 3 Years

Posted by Peter Quennell




Here is the Amanda Knox Skype interview transcribed for us from the video in Italy. The interviewer is mushy (too much so) and really distorts key facts, and so does Knox. You can see her claim she was framed. Her denials are without substance and seem mechanical and half-hearted. Time for Plan B?

A common question on forums today is “Can Amanda Knox make these very public false charges and suffer no penalty?”

The short answer seems to be no. First, she has made the possibility of early arrest to put a stop to that more likely. If Judge Nencini saw the Porta a Porta TV program last night he will be giving thought to his options. Negotiating on arrest is ruled out by law

And second, for the dozens of false charges in her book and numerous TV and print interviews, she could be facing some more time in prison quite regardless of how the Nencini appeal works out for her.  And a guilty verdict there could cost her 30 years and damages.

One thing nobody thought to point out on the rudderless and badly informed Porta a Porta show last night is that Knox is already being investigated for identical false charges.

EVERYTHING she says now is added to that “treasure trove” of actionable accusations. Penalties for these felonies vary; but if one has a prior conviction, some prison time is almost inevitable.

Sorely missing from the Porta a Porta panel last night was their usual magistrate, Simonetta Matone, who has always raised tough questions.  Was there a deal not to have her present on what was a distinctly tilted panel?

Knox seems to have committed at least one felony in her book with the pages-long accusation that the investigating prosecutor Dr Mignini was not only present at her interrogation (he wasn’t) but leaning on her to frame Patrick (not being there, of course he didn’t.).

Why didn’t anyone on Porta a Porta introduce that false accusation last night, which was widely reported in the Italian media after her book came out? Or mention her lamp behind Meredith’s door lacking fingerprints, or the mixed-blood traces outside Meredith’s door which seem to strongly relate to what the Carabinieri labs in Rome are now investigating?

Even the defense lawyers are seeing culpability growing, as they are given full credit for helping to write the defamatory books.  They all made themselves scarce last night, did anyone notice that? 

Do you ever wonder why Knox or Sollecito don’t push their own lawyers forward to take on this challenge?


Below: Pro-prosecution Magistrate Simonetta Matone suspiciously absent last night]




Comments

Amanda Knox on “Porta a porta - la MIA verrita”.  Are you kidding me? Why is she always saying things like “this is the best truth”, or “MY truth”?  I think it’s very telling!

Posted by Terry on 10/16/13 at 05:40 PM | #

Hi Peter,
Just a thought here. Maybe the Marriot PR machine is seeing the writing on the wall, and can do no more. They will try and squeeze as much money out of her before she is sentenced. I say this because why else would she still be doing interviews. Surely they know the way the law system works or am I way off with this

Posted by forres on 10/16/13 at 05:58 PM | #

Hi forres

Good point. First, it may not be so much a case of making MORE money as hanging on to all the blood money they have already screwed out of a whole lot of unwitting people. 

The financial awards against her for a new guilty verdict could be be 3-4-5 times what she ever made out of the book.

And she is already in contempt of the SUPREME COURT for not paying Patrick what he is due. That has to be a first in Italian legal history!!

Second, we dont see any sign that David Marriott or Robert Barnett or Ted Simon have the slightest clue about Italian law. They are all liable too for the felonies in the book and all of them could be charged too by the Bergamo judge.

Going back to late 2007 and 2008 what Dr Mignini offered Knox and Sollecito was quite reasonable - a confession to a hazing that escalated unintentionally, in exchange for say a manslaughter charge.

But the hard-line families overrode the soft-line lawyers and plowed on. Most or all of this further assault on the Italian justice system seems to be (as you suggest) driven from Seattle.

Last night they claimed to be in group therapy now. Oh? Are the lawyers not there too?

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/16/13 at 06:20 PM | #

If I never again see Edda’s totally dumb and doting stare at her wunderkind (picture at top) it’ll be way too soon for me.

This kind of automatic unconditional love from the mother is of course necessary during early infancy but it’s dopey and sick now, at their ages. There’s definitely a mutual protection thing going on, as evidenced by AK when, sat next to Mom in a TV interview, she boldly declaimed “I’m a free spirit like my mom, she encouraged that in me” - or words to that effect.At which point they exchanged goofy, knowing smiles. So (cough) all very nice wholesome stuff, n’est-ce pas? Totally nauseating.

Posted by Odysseus on 10/16/13 at 07:14 PM | #

Has anybody come up with a theory as to why AK and RS did not dispose of the murder weapon?  Anybody who watches TV or the movies knows that this is rule #1 (next to properly disposing of the body and having a solid alibi) in a murder case.  Why did they not dump it in the river?  Or, just put it in a paper bag and dump it in a trash bin on the other side of town?

Yes, I know that most criminals are idiots and that is why the often get caught.  One has to wonder why they kept a $25 knife that might net them 30 years in prison.

Posted by Gonzaga on 10/16/13 at 07:49 PM | #

Hi Gonzaga

Yes, see for example in the thread on the post below this one. Keeping of the knife has often been discussed.

Main reason is believed to be that it was on the landlord’s inventory and Sollecito was about to move out and had to account for it and may not have been confident he could find the same make (it is out of production now and maybe back then).

He would not know any remaining DNA could be invisible to the human eye.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/16/13 at 07:58 PM | #

@Gonzaga

For what it’s worth my guess is that they viewed it as too incriminating to just dump. Better, they thought, to take it back to RS’s pad and give it a thorough going over with a scourer or whatever. Then
“hide it in plain sight”, in the cutlery drawer. Typically over-clever move by this arrogant pair, who were no doubt still wired on uppers or heaven knows what.

Posted by Odysseus on 10/16/13 at 08:02 PM | #

Here is the Amanda Knox Skype interview transcribed for us form the video in Italy. The interviewer is mushy (too much so) and really distorts key facts, and so does Knox, but her denials are without subtance and seem mechanical and half-hearted.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/KnoxPortaaPorta.pdf

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/16/13 at 08:47 PM | #

How is your relationship with Raffaele Sollecito now?
“I worry so much for him., we are still friends, in the sense that I think we are like soldiers that passed a war together, even because it is difficult to explain the intimacy you find with a person that you had to survive and combat for your life together. I saw that he is a good person, that he is a man of honor.”

Sounds to me like she’s worried he might not honour their pact for much longer, reminds me of her worry over ‘that knife’

Posted by Spencer on 10/16/13 at 10:52 PM | #

OMG, that’s exactly the quote that I was just going to post.  I totally agree, Spencer. 

And like all good liars, she weaves a tiny speck of the truth in amongst the festering falsehoods, e.g. ‘the life-endangering fight, the war, the violence that they survived’ was the attack they launched against Mez, apparently a fit, martial arts trained individual, but one who couldn’t win against 3 assailants and weapons, but who apparently also gave one helluva fight.

AK is so sickeningly false, so predictable and scripted, so narcissistic (that she turns everything around to make herself the victim - Mez and Patrick), and so borderline (personality disorder).  She throws RS under the bus (‘worried about him’) even as she threatens him with the ‘man of honour’ undertow.

Posted by all4justice on 10/17/13 at 12:24 AM | #

There is a great deal of distancing in the last speech, “I was found to be innocent…” Etc etc.

‘Super intelligent (criminal) ...is a fantasy’ !

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 12:35 AM | #

In psychology we speak about a ‘good enough’ mother or parent. Nobody is perfect, everyone makes mistakes at some point, - but if one can grasp the essentials, of what most matters in life…one can be the ‘good enough mother’.

But a message of “it’s OK to lie” ?
I don’t think it’s good enough.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 05:02 AM | #

@SeekingUnderstanding

It’s not good enough. I wonder then if Edda herself is not averse to lying if she deems it necessary.

It might be interesting to find out a bit more about her divorce.Who divorced who? And on what grounds? Curt Knox was/is full of anger over something in the marriage - maybe with some justification.

Posted by Odysseus on 10/17/13 at 06:18 AM | #

@odysseus
Indeed. There’s the internal lying too…lying to oneself.
I like Gandi’s word : ’ Satyagraha ‘, which, as I understand it, is ‘truth-firm grasping’.
Acknowledging that sometimes it is not easy to admit the truth and hold onto it.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 06:43 AM | #

The trial documents pertaining to the early witness interviews with Amanda and the English friend’s of Meredith have them saying Amanda was talking to anyone and everyone in the waiting room and seemed to enjoy all the attention. I found her she was telling everyone. Even the Police had to try and calm her down.

Then Edda arrived and she made Amanda shut up. Then the lies started and prevail to this day. I wonder if Edda is also a lier. She condones lying.

The other thing i would like to be clear about is if Amanda and Raff don’t like the verdict of Judge Nencini’s Court they must be in jail in order for them to proceed with the automatic 2nd Appeal that they are entitled to make.

They cannot remain free and continue with the Appeal process. Is this correct.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/17/13 at 07:05 AM | #

I notice that in the twelve days previous to 5/10/2013 Groundreport published at least 6 articles in support of AK & RS. In the last twelve days there have been no articles published. Are they afraid of legal action? Is it a strategic decision?

Posted by starsdad on 10/17/13 at 07:12 AM | #

Our translator Miriam said that the CBS Rome correspondent Sabina Castelfranco, who is on all the RS/AK Porta a Porta shows, did the interview.

We have noticed before that she has an overwhelming blind slavish faith in AK. Getting her to do the interview might have been part of the deal. She was actually ahead of Edda in translating her at several points. Go figure!

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 08:19 AM | #

I just watched Amanda via skype interview with Vittoriana Abate from Porta a Porta and i felt sick. Amanda says the police got her so confused, so confused on the night of the interview. She blames the police and prosecutor entirely for misinterpreting the sms to Patrick ‘see you later’.

She said no way i entered the Questura with the intention of blaming an innocent man for this. The asked what would you say to Patrick if he were here and she repeated she would tell him she did not go there with the intention of blaming him.

She blames the prosecution for a theory that they developed and still have about her being a femme fatale and a manipulator of men.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/17/13 at 10:03 AM | #

@Mason2

She is adept at utterly side-stepping a question. Maybe she didn’t enter the Questura with that intention. But that is not the point. The point is that, despite her original intention(s),she did do something dreadful, voluntarily, to Patrick . And in 3 weeks she didn’t recant but let him suffer, mercilessly.

Maybe she believes because she didn’t originally have the intention for someone to die, that whatever happened did so accidentally, that in some way means she’s not responsible.  She does keep talking about it all as something that’s happened to her.

It’s more like a child talking. When a child doesn’t mean to do something, e.g. like break a vase, they cry and say ‘look what happened’....  As for femme fatale. I haven’t read the prosecution say this. Is it in her dreams? As Odysseus said yesterday No femme fatale has noticeable BO.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 10:34 AM | #

Thanks Mason2. 

Yes and all that was said without very much resistance from anyone on the show, although Maresca seems to have done his best.

The police put NO pressure on her except to inform her that RS had said she had made them both lie and destroyed her alibi. Then for a period of time she was in full panic mode.

Then she grasped at the text messages with Patrick like a drowning man grasping at a straw. She framed Patrick again and again and again - various times in writing included - sometimes when no police were around.

The police were mostly very kind to Knox - it was still weeks before they fully settled on her probably having led the attack. Once again we link to the full truth of what happened on the interrogation night.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/The_Amanda_Knox_Trainwreck_knox_invents/

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 10:37 AM | #

Thanks SeekingUnderstanding.  I wonder if at some point you could address the body odor some more? What might that signify?

Her general grubbinness and smell were remarked on even before Meredith died. Police remarked that she had a noticeable stench on the morning Meredith was found despite her claiming she had had 2 showers in about 1/2 a day. And in prison the guards and cellmates remarked that she smelled and rarely washed.

This does not seem a well girl. We have long pondered that, much more than those around her who SHOULD care. She lived through a seriously tumultuous first year, not unlike nuclear war.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/should_the_amanda_knox_defense_maybe_point_the_finger_at_an_angry_dadd/

In 2012 her dad said there was no way Amanda would get counseling although Edda now says on Pora a Porta that the whole family needed it (probably true, going way back before Meredith was killed)

Her defense were maybe forbidden to claim that she was mentally impaired (which would be their role, not the prosecution’s) but the building blocks do seem to be there. There is still a little time for a Plan B.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 10:44 AM | #

Just as a first thought, if her emotional disturbance does originate from her experiences during her first year - this time would reflect the time that bodily functions come into awareness.

There is a great deal written about odour and the control of bodily functions. In summary, it’s the very first awareness of something that becomes socialization, that is, one learns to control anal function etc partly out of consideration for others.

There are theories too about those who hold on to their ‘dirt’ as if it is part of themselves - not wanting to wash any part of themselves away etc. essentially would relate to emotional adjustments that should happen naturally as we grow, but perhaps hadn’t .

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 12:10 PM | #

The skype interview was very rehearsed and she would have had the questions ahead of time and she spoke in fluent Italian. None of the hard questions we have had posted here were asked of her.

Amanda said she is hoping the best for this Appeal and she will be found innocent. She went on they also heard from Aviello. I was there and no one took Aviello seriously. The panel of Judges was laughing out loud at some of his answers.

Aviello never lived in Via Della Pegola 11. Number 11 does not even exist. Does Amanda really believe that what Aviello told the court will be believed by this very serious panel of judges.

Everyone going around her on tip toes and its creepy with her mother always looking on. She’s a grown woman not a child.

The networks and papers and magazines must be milking this story for every penny piece they can before the verdict.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/17/13 at 12:51 PM | #

@Mason2

Yes, unfortunately, if the media build up the story with a defence bias now, then it gives them extra drama and increased interest when/if they dramatically shift to the opposite bias (reality/evidence), on November 6th approximately.

In other words, more milking available from the ‘sudden’ turnabout.  Oh dear. I don’t believe most of the Italians are that gullible though, do you?

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 01:02 PM | #

Thanks Mason2. Aviello was in fact a prosecution witness this time around and he served his purpose brilliantly - he showed how absurd one has to be to conjure up a story that does not involve the three.

Her #1 persona had a negative effect on the Massei court who could see that she was seriously daffy.

Her #2 persona may have had a big effect on Hellmann when she appeared in widows weeds and blubbered in two long spontaneous interventions from her seat (no way was she getting back up on that stand).

Her #3 persona is being beamed in from afar. This tough outraged girl is trying to convince a jury that when the police said “boo” that sent her into mental turmoil for months and made her finger a guy they didnt even know existed?

Gimme a break.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 01:07 PM | #

@ Seekunderstanding the Italians i have spoken to only this week are not that gullible. They believe she is guilty and very deceptive.  Her followers are gullible and there are a lot of them. Amanda has taken people in well and truly.

The people i have spoken with this week say look she is in USA, she left Italy, she’s gone and what is the use of continuing now.

I heard Dr Sollecito on Porta a Porta confirm Raffy will be attending the next Court date. He added that he cannot get on with his life until he sorts out things with Italian Justice. I though this was very interesting what Dr Sollecito said. I felt maybe Raff might have come to the conclusion that he is Italian and it is not easy to leave family and live in a foreign country. Its like cutting off your arm. They breathe the same air.

So Dr Sollecito is an educated intelligent man and what he said and the words he chose made me feel perhaps they may have decided to come to terms with reality in order to move forward.

This has been talked about on TJMK but what was said and the way it was said make me think there has been a change of heart.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/17/13 at 01:29 PM | #

Digital recorders are not these families’ friends. They don’t come across as dream families by any account, though many now have sympathy for Sollecito’s dad. The Knox-Mellases sure come out worst.

1) Curt Knox often speaks out coldly or angrily as confirmed (for once unblinkingly truthful) by Amanda Knox in her book; and also by what is in this post already linked to above (10/17/13 at 09:44 AM).

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/should_the_amanda_knox_defense_maybe_point_the_finger_at_an_angry_dadd/

2) Chris Mellas is often sneering and mean-spirited (not only to Knox) which comes across in the Knox diary quoted in the Sarzanini book where she showed anger at his common term for her: “Obtuse retard”.

3) Edda Mellas comes across as slobbering, patronising and domineering as Mason2 observes here. No wonder Knox fled from her home twice, in 2006 and 2012.

4) Sollecito’s dad Francesco… well, you can read his chewing out (seemingly strongly deserved) of Raffaele and also Vanessa here:

Perugia Flying Squad: other interceptions published.

The role of Carabinieri lieutenant, Vanessa Sollecito, becomes stronger from the latest interceptions published by the daily newspaper LIBERO…

THE TELEPHONE CALLS OF THE SOLLECITOS’ TO POLITICIANS FOR RAF

The relatives are accused of manipulating the investigation. The sister a lieutenant: “I break a finger and I move to the civilian personnel this is how I’ll get him out”

Murder in Perugia. This is the sister of Raffale Sollecito, the student from Giovinazzo charged with the murder of the young English girl Meredith Kercher, who in a telephone call to her father Francesco tells him that she is prepared to break a finger just to transition into a civilian role in the carabinieri and succeed like this to pursue an “illicit” scheme to get her little brother out of prison and help him to get out of this sh**… country.

Vanessa Sollecito is 31 years old and she is a lieutenant of the Carabinieri armed forces in the Lazio Region. She too, like her father and the rest of the relatives (uncle/aunt, a brother in law, cousins, dad’s second wife), try to gain favors from well known “excellent” people in order to exonerate Raffy and to remove the “real culprits”. These (“real culprits”) would be the police officers that have placed him under investigation and the magistrates who don’t want to know about freeing him.

The Sollecito “clan” (this is how who’s investigating the murder of Via Della Pergola defines Raffaele’s family) is written in the logbook register on the occasion of a second line of police investigation on the murder of November 2 last. The alleged offences are: defamation, invasion of privacy, and publication of arbitrary acts of a criminal case.

The time is 18:20 hours March 3 last [2008] when Vanessa phones her father (a well-known cardiologist [sic] in Puglia) and announces: “I’ve met a man, he is from the penitentiary police who works at the Ministry of Justice. He says that a union leader has explained to him that there is one way for transitioning into the carabinieri civilian staff role, although it is not very legal. And that is for me to break a finger, if things were to go down badly for Raffy, in order to lose the (fit to serve) eligibility” and move to the authority in control of civil service roles.

Francesco Sollecito gets very angry. Not about his daughter breaking a finger, but because he knows that his phone is being intercepted, and screaming he says: “You mustn’t speak on this phone, it is intercepted.” And Vanessa says: “Yours might be intercepted, but not mine!”

Two weeks later, it’s the morning of March 17 - at 10:59, Vanessa tries to phone the ‘Idv’ party - Senator Domenico Formisano - in order to go to meet him. And conveys to her father “He is our friend. He asked me a favor for a young man who must stay in Rome. He’ll be in his office Wednesday at 12:30, I hope to please him so afterwards I make use of the favor owed and will help Raffaele. He is the number two to Di Pietro.”

It’s [a date in] May at 10:23 and aunt Sara Achille (wife of Francesco Sollecito’s brother, Giuseppe) says: “Listen Francesco, Senator Domenico Nania told me to call him to arrange for a meeting in Rome. You know, it’s always better to have a nice… And Sara wanted to involve in the affair even the honorable Renato Schifani.”

Three days before, at four in the afternoon, Vanessa also spoke to her father in a “sarcastic” tone: “That lot are still going to take the foot prints… Colonel De Fulvio, who is the one from RiS, says that they are still at this point… and he’s offered himself to meet up with lawyer Bongiorno in terms of friendship, to see the scientific police material…”

[Her father Francesco] Sollecito interrupts her: “About these things you must not speak on this telephone, THIS ONE IS BEING MONITORED! Call me later.”

Uncle Giuseppe Sollecito, on July 30, utters offensive phrases toward the magistrates in Perugia because they haven’t gone in-depth into investigating the trail of the junkie found covered in blood near the victim’s house the day of the murder… “and this is just on purpose to keep Raffaele in prison”. His brother Francesco responds: “I’ll skin them alive those… and they’ll hear from me as well.”

Raffaele’s stepmother Mara Papagni, puts her complete trust in lawyer Giulia Bongiorno: That one “Ms Thirtyballs” will fix everyone… She knows how to behave on certain occasions.

The strategy of Sollecito’s relatives appears to be clear in other wiretappings: they want to put pressure on the judges of the Supreme Court of Cassation so that they’ll agree to accept the appeal presented by the defenders of the young man, they prefer that some investigators whom they regard as inconvenient be removed from the investigation.

In their targets above all are Commissioner Monica Napoleoni, head of the [Perugia] Homicide Section, and Giacinto Profazio, head of the Flying Squad. In their phone calls, the Sollecitos call them bastards, pigs, sons of whores. And they all agree: “We must find someone to intervene at any rate. As written in the logbooks: Its necessary to stop police from doing other vileness.”

The “clan” accuses them of falsifying evidence to frame Raffy. And for this reason they contact journalists and television networks to supply documents and images for broadcasting (such as those depicting the tortured body of poor Mez after the murder and aired by a local television in Puglia).

They wanted to demonstrate that the scientific police played dirty to frame Raffaele.  Now the Sollecitos’ and their respective wives are under investigation.

Translation by Jools in this post here:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/sollecito_family_trial_on_the_component_about_their_alleged_attempt/

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 02:03 PM | #

The question that is being asked (and unasked by FoA) is why she did blame an innocent man, Patrick.

Of course this is an important question but my question is the other one: why she did not blame RG, whom she knew so well- after all they are equal (?) partners in crime.

I personally think she was trying to get some time to think of some working strategy. She is not really bright and could not come up with any.

Accusing Patrick was really counterproductive as she learned the hard way. She has no control on herself, as we saw from the reaction when she was shown the knives at her flat. Like she could not explain why she trashed her Gubbio trip.

Still, blaming RG in the beginning would have landed her in less trouble. Just my personal opinion.

Posted by chami on 10/17/13 at 02:09 PM | #

Thanks Mason2

Perhaps the difference between the Italians and the Americans will come out more now, with the differences between the Sollecitos and the Knoxes beginning to show more.

It means something to. Dr Sollecito to speak truthfully - one can tell.  I hope he can influence his son to the good. He may do, as you say.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 02:10 PM | #

Yes Peter i know that the Sollecito clan talks just like the gangster families we see on TV. Vanessa was booted out of the Carabiniere in disgrace.

But i believe Raffy is suffering being away from home his Italy. He would know that even when he was in jail his dad drove up to see him about 3 times a week. At the moment he would be feeling very lost. To him there is no place like home and italy and being near his family.

This is a powerful thing he feels now he’s in Dominican Republic far from his family. Family is everything to Italians they depend on each other. His father was ringing him several times a day before the murder.

Raffy can see Amanda surrounded by her family and he must be feeling very down and very lonely.

They both know that Rudy will be out on day release next year and only now Raffy might decide to sort things out with Italian Justice to quote his dad.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/17/13 at 02:43 PM | #

Hi Mason2.  Actually the Sollecitos sound like not untypical New Yorkers, among whom there is usually at least some some slight intent to be funny along with everything else. The Jewish and Italian thing.

The wave of mafia movies didnt exactly help! The whole country was talkng about making an offer you cant refuse. I live on the Hudson River edge of Sopranos Country, and I know Italian-Americans here found that tough.

But I read Francesco in that report and nevertheless he makes me smile a bit. Grim as he tries to be his sway over his pesky offspring clearly comes and goes.

Like you I suspect Raffaele sees the writing on the wall and absent his family he is rudderless, lonely and broke.  Which raises a really interesting question about AK.

She really may not be able to handle the trial without cracking up, she has said often that if someone yells out at her in a public place she fears collapse.

But dont be surprised if she does go back to Italy if she bombs at appeal. Getting away from Curt, Chris and especially Edda would be one big plus. She has done that before. And it is on record that she seriously likes Italy and could marry there.

I think part of the deadly dynamic was that within a month of her arrival, she was shocked to find herself so shunned. In fact the ONLY one who was not blowing her off was Meredith, at least until Halloween, the night before. Meredith had hopes for her…

It is also on record that Amanda had some pretty happy times in Capanne. An American reporter who went there said: “Wow that place is like Club Med”. She had a tv in the cell and shared a private shower with just 2 other girls.

And read this:  http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/the_amanda_knox_trainwreck_1_claims_about_prison_traumas_widely_cont/

That is Amanda Knox at bottom right below. It would be interesting to get SeekingUnderstanding’s take on all of this.



Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 03:20 PM | #

This whole “honor-bound” nonsense to me indicates subconscious feelings of guilt.  If they were genuinely innocent, not accusing Amanda Knox would be a no-brainer:  “Hey, I know she didn’t do it, cos she was at my place the whole night, and I didn’t do it either, cos I was also at my place the whole night.”  Also, of course, they wouldn’t have told so many conflicting stories of what they were doing that night. Besides, if Sollecito were truly innocent, why on earth would he falsely accuse Amanda Knox to save himself?  That would only get him in worse trouble.  The “honor-bound” theme makes no sense, except to Knox’s supporters, who have proven themselves overwhelmingly predisposed to dismiss everything pointing to her guilt.

Posted by Ceylon on 10/17/13 at 04:13 PM | #

It would seem there are a number of positives for Amanda at Capanne. (The negatives hardly need discussion). Perhaps the greatest are security and moderation (drugs and alcohol excesses).
There is plenty of time to read, study and write - all of which she enjoys, as well as develop her Italian language skill. She seems to have been given privileges, and a computer etc. she had a mentor, and others concerned with her welfare.  I don’t believe for a moment she was ill treated, as she is so in the spotlight.
Also, perhaps some social pressure is taken away. There is no need to compete, or climb the social and status ladder, because she is not going anywhere. Perhaps this is in part a relief?
She eventually adapted and found a role for being useful/ relating to the other inmates - translation, writing etc etc. and organizing supplies.

Probably the worst thing might be sharing with someone who is blatantly dysfunctional, perhaps hostile and untrustworthy,perhaps deliberately putting the TV loud all day etc. but then this is also a challenge, as people also find her difficult in various ways.
There was also some outlet for creative projects, and the occasional concert, as above.
We all have to accept some kind of limitations in our lives at some point - part of growing up. Acceptance of the inevitable is a good thing.

Posted by SeekingUnderstanding on 10/17/13 at 04:53 PM | #

In my humble opinion it would have been far better if justice had been delivered the good, old American way.

Posted by aethelred23 on 10/17/13 at 05:02 PM | #

Great post. The comments and links, truly a feast for thought. Mason2, chami, Odysseus, forres, Ceylon, Terri, Gonzaga, starsdad, all4justice, Spencer, aethelred23, CaliDeeva, dadredge, The Machine and anyone else whose comments today are marvelous. I’ve enjoyed reading them all.

@seekingunderstanding, thank you for expressing my opinion that Amanda refuses to apologize to Patrick and somehow rationalizes it as because she had no “intention” to hurt him. She won’t pay him damages, either. If this is how she deals with someone she attacked, think: the same thing with Meredith. Her “intention” was pure, so nothing else counts. What actually happens to her target is neither here nor there in her opinion. Real bruises to them are just “woops, sorry, didn’t mean to hurt you” for Amanda.  One commenter laughed at Amanda’s desperate mention of Aviello, as if he clears anyone of anything. Rather he points straight to dirty tricks and more deception.

The body odor thing:

The sweat caused by stress or fear is quite distinctive and raunchy.  Amanda may have thrown on sour clothes after the murder cleanup, she was stressed and frantic.

She may have had intercourse with Raffaele and not had time to freshen up or hesitated to use the clean wash cloths at his place and had no access there to disposable wet wipes or paper towels. (sorry, folks, such is life)

Even after a shower she might have removed her bloodied clothes and changed hastily into anything she could grab, perhaps a two-or-three-day old unwashed blue sweater with musty underarms. Maybe she could only find unwashed panties. It would have been the least of her worries at the time.

It does seem odd she should claim two showers but have body odor.

Amanda brought up menstruation to explain the blue bathmat stain, so maybe she was on her own period. That was on her mind. It would account for a pungent smell although Edda said Amanda’s menses occurred a few days later. PMDD was probably the key to the crime with Amanda suffering hormonal shifts and low blood sugar.

More stress: upcoming Christmas holidays. Meredith was already focused on them for her departure to England. Maybe Amanda was uncertain if she would be staying alone in Italy to save the air fare to Seattle. She might have wanted to go to Germany for Christmas tannenbaum at Uncle Uwe’s and Dorothy her relatives, but maybe she was ashamed to visit them after she ditched the Berlin job he had arranged for her.

PMS or the worse type PMDD would account for Amanda’s hysteria at the police station and physical fatigue. Drugs and alcohol at that critical time of her cycle might have pushed her to the edge of madness temporarily and caused the entire fight with Meredith. Amanda may also have irrationally lashed out in anger at Raf who failed to understand what was expected of him. She might have been trying to break up with him already, pushing him to walk because she had tired of him, and feeling guilty for leading him on and sad to lose a sugar daddy and a free tour of Italy in an Audi but still wanting to dump him. I think Amanda was stressed to the max by the end of October. Since Meredith had spoken up for loyalty to boyfriends, that was a sore spot to Amanda as she tried to make a decision to kick Raf to the curb. She turned her frustations and insecurities onto Meredith.

On a different topic, it was amazing to read the Sollecito phone tap conversations. Clear proof of how avidly they tried to block justice and make an exemption for their son. Dr. Sollecito said of Perugian magistrates, “I’ll skin them alive,” wow, just wow. Maybe it’s only a figure of speech but…and one commenter said Dr. Sollecito’s remark about Raf not being able to go forward with a real life until he settles things with Italian justice, it does sound like father Doc is hinting that Raf should come clean and tell all, that he will be in limbo forever as a fugitive with nothing open to him.

Dr. Sollecito and family may believe they can lobby and do more for Raf only after he confesses and shows remorse. Then he could beg the court for leniency. Later the Sollecito’s could try to influence parole and an early pardon or a transfer to the best prison, etc. They know they failed to stop the conviction after using all their schemes and friends in high places. Mara’s misplaced faith in Bongiorno is possibly being regretted.

Posted by Hopeful on 10/17/13 at 06:55 PM | #

Hi Hopeful. Excellent that you pushed the envelope on these several key items further.

If all true and I dont see why not, what a mess AK was in. In her book she repeatedly claims she was “ready” for a year of life enhancing experience. She lies in the book about the academic structure she was headed toward, and maybe to her parents too, though they seem to have shrugged off checking it all out.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/questions_for_knox_3_why_the_huge_lie/

As you suggest Papa Doc is thinking, a confession and a show of real remorse looks at this point the only way to stave off a sentence of 30 years. He will KNOW the lawyers have played their last card. Let us see if he can talk both entourages back to Planet Earth.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 10/17/13 at 09:19 PM | #

I think Amanda Knox is in this delusional cocoon right now, thinking that her supporters will keep her from being extradited. It’s Raffaele Sollecito that appears to be the weak link, as he feels the pressure. Why would he return to Italy, despite what Papa says? Unless he knows he can’t keep it going forever. He might return and face the music, and maybe overtures are being made by his team to offer mitigating circumstances. Too late, I say.

Posted by Ergon on 10/17/13 at 11:34 PM | #

@ Hopeful Dr Sollecito does not talk to Giulia Bongiorno at all. They were seated not far from each other in the Court but never spoke. Dr Sollecito communicates with her through lawyer Maori So i think you are right Dr Sollecito and his wife Mara are disappointed in Bongiorno.  They have tried everything and at this point Raff is looking at a long sentence and they see whats going on with Rudy and he is coming to the end part of his sentence.

I really believe what he said on Porta means they have had a change of heart. Lets hope so.

Posted by Mason2. on 10/18/13 at 02:00 AM | #

For once in his life it’s time for Raf to stand up and be a man, we all know he wouldn’t be in this mess if it wasn’t for Knox, but he needs to take responsibility for his own actions. There was a post on here a while back with reference to females having killed their flat mate or friend which led me to believe that Knox would have killed Meredith anyway, regardless of weather Raf was present or not, I’m not saying Raf is a victim here but he must be wondering how much better his life would be if he’d never laid eyes on AK.

Posted by Urbanist on 10/19/13 at 09:48 AM | #


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